tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post7896513473452218033..comments2023-08-26T07:24:28.790-05:00Comments on Worley Dervish: What's So Bad about the Forced Ultrasound Bill?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01111908124909857884noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-63401790232210063512013-06-25T17:43:39.311-05:002013-06-25T17:43:39.311-05:00Sorry Anonymous1, you still don't get to make ...Sorry Anonymous1, you still don't get to make decisions about what another woman does. I commend you on your decision to adopt - but the truth is that people chose not to have children for all sorts of reasons. For instance, I don't want children - if I am raped or my birth control fails (this is a hypothetical since me and my husband have elected to use surgical options, but for the sake of argument) I am under no obligation to keep the child so you can have it. I also don't believe in God, and you can't legislate that I see the world your way. I don't even think you READ Mary's article - or you would see that this has no medical exclusions for people who's fetus has serious health issues. There are ways to reduce the abortion numbers, criminalizing abortion and putting barriers between women and contraception (part of other bills passed the same day) are NOT the way. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-4653698060828491582013-06-20T22:53:50.217-05:002013-06-20T22:53:50.217-05:00Very well said. (and shared).Very well said. (and shared).WeyrCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03876325947460584571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-67731515542199492642013-06-19T13:51:45.516-05:002013-06-19T13:51:45.516-05:00Somewhere around here I have the tape where I call...Somewhere around here I have the tape where I called in to the Larry King show on CNN to give an on-air comment to his guest, a rabid anti-choicer who was publicizing their first “Abortion Stops A Beating Heart” misinformation campaign. The point I made is this: <br />before the end of the second trimester, the noise they're trying to call a “heartbeat” is nothing more than a muscular tube contracting, a muscular tube that might be a heart someday. It's simply a dry run; nothing is flowing through it because it's not developed, doesn't look like a heart, doesn't act like a heart because it's not a heart. They've used a high-sensitivity microphone to record and magnify the miniscule sound those contractions make and are preying on people's ignorance by calling that magnified sound a “heartbeat.” It's a deliberate deception. When you have to deceive people to make your point, there's something very wrong with your point.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11347269414191835542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-78559118153496561982013-06-19T10:58:39.474-05:002013-06-19T10:58:39.474-05:00Definitely. That's exactly what I call it.Definitely. That's exactly what I call it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01111908124909857884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-47068771214183196452013-06-19T10:57:46.019-05:002013-06-19T10:57:46.019-05:00The point is that the one person who is in the bes...The point is that the one person who is in the best position to make the decision is the woman who is pregnant and her doctor. Not every woman in that position will choose abortion. In fact, if we have really good sex education in well-funded public schools and make contraception readily available, then abortion will become rare.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01111908124909857884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-17819857963175328882013-06-19T10:55:08.130-05:002013-06-19T10:55:08.130-05:00Thanks, BoS!Thanks, BoS!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01111908124909857884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-8463411080875436092013-06-19T10:54:42.288-05:002013-06-19T10:54:42.288-05:00There is no special provision for teen rape, just ...There is no special provision for teen rape, just for reported rape. The reason I chose that example is that pregnancy for a very young teen or preteen can be especially problematic for a multitude of reasons. And I believe many teens as well as adults find the experience of reporting rape humiliating, and I expect they would find the transvaginal ultrasound procedure and the attendant description of the fetus humiliating as well. I don't see this as an exaggeration at all.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01111908124909857884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-88826242399563745222013-06-19T10:48:04.404-05:002013-06-19T10:48:04.404-05:00Thanks, Hallis!Thanks, Hallis!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01111908124909857884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-75326134608860225942013-06-19T10:47:46.352-05:002013-06-19T10:47:46.352-05:00Excellent point, Julie. For some, the expense will...Excellent point, Julie. For some, the expense will be prohibitive.<br /><br />I forgot a couple of things actually. A good friend mentioned that I forgot this: "The obvious intention that showing a woman an ultrasound and possible heartbeat will convince her to not abort is unfounded. Research shows that it does not result in a significant change in women's decisions. So, all this transvaginal ultrasound and general browbeating ends up being simple punishment."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01111908124909857884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-20535627645730352772013-06-19T10:45:07.963-05:002013-06-19T10:45:07.963-05:00Thanks, Vivian!Thanks, Vivian!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01111908124909857884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-30970648057487847442013-06-19T10:44:50.385-05:002013-06-19T10:44:50.385-05:00Thanks, and you're welcome. A friend of mine a...Thanks, and you're welcome. A friend of mine added this: "The obvious intention that showing a woman an ultrasound and possible heartbeat will convince her to not abort is unfounded. Research shows that it does not result in a significant change in women's decisions. So, all this transvaginal ultrasound and general browbeating ends up being simple punishment. Despicable." I hope the commenter and others who haven't thought through how the bill will affect people reads it too.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01111908124909857884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-24720031628535605422013-06-19T09:40:39.887-05:002013-06-19T09:40:39.887-05:00The FBI definition of rape is the insertion of any...The FBI definition of rape is the insertion of any body part OR OBJECT without the woman's permission. A vaginal wand sounds like an "object" to me. State-sanctioned rape?Trudy Le Beauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14520238162693270375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-48668424797584003122013-06-19T07:23:20.448-05:002013-06-19T07:23:20.448-05:00As the mom of an adopted baby that could have easi...As the mom of an adopted baby that could have easily been a casualty of abortion I have a real hard time with this. The National Center for Health Statistics reports that less than 1% of all abortion cases are a result of rape or incest. So in 99 % of abortion cases we are saying that it's more torture for a woman to look at the heartbeat of the child she's about to abort than it is for the child to be aborted? In 99% of cases the woman chose to have a vaginal object inserted into her which the primary result of is a baby. But now that the baby is actually the result - she doesn't want to be "violated" to have another object inserted into her to be held accountable for the life that she is carrying? As a woman is cradles an amazing gift from God that could have easily been an aborted baby - I have a problem with the premise of who is being tortured and who's rights are being violated in this case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-84858271975245549472013-06-19T05:30:33.509-05:002013-06-19T05:30:33.509-05:00Outstanding.Outstanding.BoShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411220480236471756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-66813607431600986872013-06-19T04:28:21.994-05:002013-06-19T04:28:21.994-05:00Agree with your premise entirely, just want to poi...Agree with your premise entirely, just want to point out that your teen pregnancy example suggests that the teen is humiliated by reporting the rape and further humiliated with the transvaginal ultrasound. Is there a special provision for 'teen rape'? If not, then you might rethink the example a bit. I think it is plenty torturous to force someone to choice between humiliating disclosure or ultrasound, if they are humiliated by the experience. If it is an exaggeration it can do more to harm the truth rather than help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-470956152866986762013-06-19T03:32:59.388-05:002013-06-19T03:32:59.388-05:00well said sis!!!
well said sis!!!<br />Hallis Mailenhttp://www.facebook.com/hallis.mailen1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-40853599650183129082013-06-19T03:20:06.570-05:002013-06-19T03:20:06.570-05:00Mary,
You forgot to mention that the woman, no ma...Mary,<br /><br />You forgot to mention that the woman, no matter how traumatized already, also has to pay the cost of this procedure out of her own pocket. Otherwise, you have hit the nail on the probe.JulieGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08486952287616044594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-47765537160153954062013-06-18T22:11:16.545-05:002013-06-18T22:11:16.545-05:00So eloquent.So eloquent.Vivianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18132028672488569105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732717868446445360.post-38822098966309885102013-06-18T17:22:05.911-05:002013-06-18T17:22:05.911-05:00I don't know how anyone can NOT understand how...I don't know how anyone can NOT understand how horrible this this legislation is and how intrusive and demeaning and vulgar the mindset behind it is. Your answer was not only succinct and factual, but easy to understand -- even for anyone who may not "get" what's so bad about SB206/Forced Ultrasound Bill. Thank you! I hope that the confused commenter reads your response.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com